مشاهدة النسخة كاملة : سؤال للنقاش مع الزملاء
مستر/ عصام الجاويش 02-04-2010, 06:09 PM طرحت هذا السؤال فى منتدى انجليزى واطرحه هنا للنقاش فيما بيننا
Choose the correct answer:
It is ..who broke the vase.
a) me b) I
((I think both choices are correct, but I have no evidence. What do you think?"
مستر/ عصام الجاويش 02-04-2010, 06:13 PM هذه الجمله موجوده فى كتاب top students
فى تمارين الوحده 12
hyangels 02-04-2010, 07:13 PM It's me , i think
ابو بيشو 02-04-2010, 07:32 PM شكرا جزيلا للرائع دائما مستر /عصام الجاويش
الى حضرتك منى كل احترام وتقدير
دعنى ارفق هذا الموضوع فى هذا النقاش
Disputed English (http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Disputed_English_grammar_-_Its_I_vs_Its_me/id/1329685) grammar: Encyclopedia II - Disputed English grammar - It's I vs. It's me
Disputed English grammar - It's I vs. It's me
The I in "It's I." is a subject complement. Subject complements are used only with a class of verbs called linking verbs, of which to be is the most common. Unlike object complements, subject complements are not affected by the action of the verb, and they describe or explain the subject. In this case, I is not affected by the action of the verb is, and it specifies exactly who the subject It is. The subject complement therefore takes the subjective case. Usually, this makes no difference in the sentence because English nouns no longer distinguish between subjective and objective case. But English pronouns make the distinction, and the subject complement takes I instead of me. It's I sounds strange to many English speakers, but is considered correct by prescriptivists. In other contexts, the subject complement may sound less strange, such as "This is she" rather than "This is her."
At this point, the use of the subjective in the subject complement has almost entirely disappeared. Both usages are still current, but the use of subjective in the subject complement is much less common.
It should be noted that the use of a nominative complement ("It is I") is by no means universal in other languages (http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Disputed_English_grammar_-_Its_I_vs_Its_me/id/1329685). For example, French-speakers say "c'est moi" (it's me) not "c'est je"; in Polish and other Slavic languages the instrumental case would be used with the verb to be.
اهدى الى حضرتك كل احترام وتقدير شكرا :078111rg3::049gc0:
titolion 02-04-2010, 08:48 PM انا قرات الموضوع المرفق و لكن ما هو حل الجملة
مستر/ عصام الجاويش 02-04-2010, 09:44 PM جزاك الله خيرا مستر ابو بيشو هذا رأى مدرس بريطانى فى المنتدى الذى طرحت فيه السؤال :
It depends on who you ask. Very conservative textbooks insist on I. Less conservative guides and actual usage allow me. So you might say that both are correct. Note, however, that in many cases people use neither one. They say, "I am the one who broke the vase".
هل حضرتك مع اختيار me ام I?
alexawii 02-04-2010, 09:55 PM me
is the right answer
mostafa.mans 03-04-2010, 12:10 AM السلام عليكم
It's me is the correct answer
مع حضرتك أ/ مصطفى المصري
مدرس لغة انجليزية
مستر سعيد دراهم 03-04-2010, 12:36 AM It's me هي الاصح هنا
alaaabdo 03-04-2010, 03:38 AM It's I who ..............since i is a subject
alaaabdo 03-04-2010, 03:41 AM He gave the book to Ahmed and me.
ahmed and I like football.
It's i
مستر/ عصام الجاويش 03-04-2010, 09:59 AM الجمله التى وردت فى كتاب TOP STUDENTS الوحده 12 صفحه رقم 306هى :
Choose the correct answer
It's.....who made this pasta, not my mother.
a) me b) I c)myself
thehero_mena 03-04-2010, 10:04 AM i think we talk about a language not a theory & the common usage is "it's me"
ابو بيشو 03-04-2010, 12:53 PM :078111rg3:Choose the correct answer
It's.....who made this pasta, not my mother.
a) me b) I c)myself
ذكر فى A Practical English Grammar
Fourth edition
الصفحه 76-77
First and third person forms (other than it)
I , he ,she, we , they can be subjects of a verb
I see it. He knows you.
Or complements of the verb to be: It is me.
Normally , however , we use the object forms here:
Who is it? It's me.
Where's Tom? That's him over there.
But if the pronoun is followed by a clause , we use the subject forms:
Blame Bill. It was he who chose this colour.
مستر سعيد دراهم 03-04-2010, 01:52 PM فعلا انا وجدت كلام مستر ممدوح صح والكتاب في ايدي الان
It's I who made this pasta, not my mother.
لوجود الـ relative clause
elkingkong 03-04-2010, 10:45 PM الجمله التى وردت فى كتاب TOP STUDENTS الوحده 12 صفحه رقم 306هى :
Choose the correct answer
It's.....who made this pasta, not my mother.
a) me b) I c)myself
الحل يا سادة I و مثال من ترجمة القران...It is He who.....
مستر/ عصام الجاويش 03-04-2010, 10:57 PM جزاكم الله خيرا مستر ممدوح انا طبعا متأكد فى الامتحان مش ممكن حاجه زى دى تيجى لان الموضوع خلافى والاراء قيه منوعه ولكننا نتناقش للمعرفه وهذا راى اخر لمدرس بريطانى عندما ارفقت رد موقع Disputed English
Grammar
Hello Essam,
There is no right answer to your question: the usage is disputed, as your article suggests.
However, it is only a disputed usage to the very small number of native speakers who trouble themselves about such things. The greater number of the remainder would say "it's me".
Furthermore, although native speakers sometimes say "it is I", "It's I" is very unusual. After "It's", you would usually find "me".
Best wishes,
MrP
samir Meabed 03-04-2010, 11:06 PM Hello Mr Esam
me is the correct answer
ابو بيشو 03-04-2010, 11:33 PM وماذا عن
But if the pronoun is followed by a clause , we use the subject forms:
Blame Bill. It was he who chose this colour.
مستر/ عصام الجاويش 04-04-2010, 12:12 AM وماذا عن
but if the pronoun is followed by a clause , we use the subject forms:
blame bill. It was he who chose this colour.
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ابو بيشو 07-04-2010, 10:02 AM Home (http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/home/) All Experts (http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/all-our-experts/) Grammar Girl (http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com)
“It Is I” Versus “It Is Me”
Grammar Girl here, or actually for this episode I should say, “'Tis I, Grammar Girl, here to help you understand when to use the words I and me.”.
So this week, Jodie wanted to know which is correct: It is I or It is me. She says that when she answers the phone and the person asks, "Is Jodie there?" she usually responds by saying, "This is she." But one of her friends says this is incorrect, and now they have a $5 bet on the question.
Wow! Ryan, David, Jane, and Iljitsch also asked this question, but they don't have money riding on the answer.
The short answer is that Jodie wins. The traditional grammar rule states when a pronoun follows a linking verb, such as is, it should be in the subject case. That means it is correct to say, “It is I,” and “It was he who dropped the phone in shock when Jodie answered, 'This is she.'”
Linking verbs are words like is, was, were, appear, and seem, which don't describe an action so much as describe a state of being. When pronouns follow these non-action verbs, you use the subject pronouns such as I, she, he, they, and we.
Here are some more correct examples:
Who called Jodie? It was he.
Who told you about it? It was I.
Who had the phone conversation? It must have been they.
Who cares? It is we.
Now the problem is that 90 percent of you are almost certainly thinking, “Well, that all sounds really weird. Is she serious?”
Well, yes, I'm serious, and that is the traditional rule, but fortunately most grammarians forgive you for not following the rule. In her aptly titled book Woe Is I, Patricia O'Connor notes that almost everyone says, “It is me,” and that the “It is I” construction is almost extinct (1). Most other grammarians agree that unless you're answering the phone for the English department at the University of Chicago or responding to a Supreme Court judge, it's OK to use what sounds right and therefore, “That's me” is an acceptable answer (2, 3, 4, 5). So even though Jodie is technically correct, it would probably be more fair for her and her friend to take the $5 and go get a cold beverage together.
On a related note, a listener named Jane wanted to know whether it is correct to say, “Rather you than me,” or “Rather you than I,” and the answer is similar to the “it is I” situation.
Traditional grammar rules state that you use the subject pronoun, I, after words such as than and as. So the correct answer is that when Jane's friends are in trouble, she can say, “Rather you than I.” On the other hand, using the object pronoun, me, is so common that most grammarians also accept “Rather you than me.”
I hate it when language is in flux like this because it's easy to get confused. But a lot of people have asked me these questions, and in the end, I believe it's best to know the traditional rules and then if you decide to break them you can do so knowingly and with conviction.
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So until next time, it is I, Grammar Girl, who thank you for listening.
References
1. O'Connor, P. Woe Is I. New York: Penguin Putnam, 1996, p. 10.
2. Straus, J. The Blue Book of Grammar and Punctuation. Ninth Edition. Mill Valley: Jane Straus, 2006, p. 17.
3. Brians, P. Common Errors in English Usage. Wilsonville: William, James & Co, 2003. p.132.
4. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, Springfield: Merriam-Webster, 1994, p. 628.
5. HiDuke, J. “Frequently Asked Questions.” Dr. Grammar Website, 2001, http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#73 (accessed October 9, 2007).
Nassif 07-04-2010, 12:05 PM It is I who
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