مشاهدة النسخة كاملة : will run or will have run ?????


جواد عوض
11-06-2014, 04:37 AM
الجملة الرابعة فى التصحيح تمشى will run
عشان لو رجعنا للكتاب المدرسة SB page 97
Review E -Ex 3هتلاقوا الجملة دى
English will be spoken by half the world population by 2050
this is prediction without evidence
طيب وشوفوا مدى تطابق الجملة دى مع السؤال الرابع فى التصحيح لامتحان اليوم
-By 2020, eco -friendly cars run or will have run on water and sunshine
ازاااااااااااى تكون الجملة دى future perfect وهي عبارة عن تنبؤ بدون دليل
اعتقد انها هتمشى فى التصحيح will run or will have run

جواد عوض
11-06-2014, 04:38 AM
ياريت الاخوة الافاضل اللى عندهم تعقيب على هذا الكلام يشرفنا بالرد

the golden eagle
11-06-2014, 03:28 PM
الادق هو will run لان الجملة لا توحي في المعنى بالمستقبل التام

mr. Usama
11-06-2014, 06:48 PM
you are right
جزاك الله خيرا

Huda7
11-06-2014, 09:59 PM
Both are correct

golden-a
11-06-2014, 11:52 PM
الاستاذ الغاضل جواد عوض......لم يسبق لي الكلام مع حضرتك ولكني اتشرف الان ...
اولا: جزاك الله كل خير علي مجهودك الرائع ال\ى تبذله وتفيد به كم هائل من الطلبه والمعلمين
ثانيا:اتفق معك تماما على ما ذكرته بخصوص الجمله الرابعه لانها سيكون حلها will run -will be running
واعتقد ان will have run خطا لان الحدث هنا سيكون ongoing action
وهذا مذكور نصا على موقع مؤلف الكتاب

احمد عاطف...مدرس لغه انجليزيه ....
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Mr. Jan
12-06-2014, 12:01 AM
الجملة الرابعة فى التصحيح تمشى will run
عشان لو رجعنا للكتاب المدرسة SB page 97
Review E -Ex 3هتلاقوا الجملة دى
English will be spoken by half the world population by 2050
this is prediction without evidence
طيب وشوفوا مدى تطابق الجملة دى مع السؤال الرابع فى التصحيح لامتحان اليوم
-By 2020, eco -friendly cars run or will have run on water and sunshine
ازاااااااااااى تكون الجملة دى future perfect وهي عبارة عن تنبؤ بدون دليل
اعتقد انها هتمشى فى التصحيح will run or will have run
Sorry Mr. Gwad but
Future perfect has two forms:
a( will have + past participle
b) be going to have + p.p
so this reveals that there is no use in this tense concerning evidence or something else
The use of this tense is
a) an action in the future before another one

You can call me at work at 8am. I will have arrived at the office by 8
b) it also expresses past in the future
When you arrive, the train will have left

According to the sentence in the exam
I see it is future perfect will have run
However, the sentence in the book talks about a fact that will happen in the future
English was spoken, is spoken, will be spoken . Speaking in English or the use of English will never come to an end



PLEASE ACCEPT MY LITTLE COMMENT AND THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE

mohammadso
12-06-2014, 12:12 AM
بارك الله فيك

mohammadso
12-06-2014, 12:13 AM
[ I think it will be future simple as it's a prediction. and I may agree with you Mr Gawad that it will be passed both are correct

saadbasha99
12-06-2014, 12:21 AM
مع احترامى لراى حضراتكم كلمةby 2020 تدل على ان هذا الحدت لن يكون متوقعاا ولكنة سيكتمل عند نقطة ما فى المستقبل لكن لو مجرد توقع كان قال in 2020مثلا لكن ليست هذة المشكلة لان الطلبة معظمهم حلوها صح لانهم حافظينها كدة من غير مى يفكروا المشكلة فى الجملة الخامسة فى السؤال الرابع بتاع Cleopatra

الحل طبعا played والباشا استند على الجملة اللى موجودة فى الكتاب ص 39 لكن الجملة دى كانت بتتكلم على فيلم لAgatha Christie ,وان الممثل لم يكن مناسبا للدور فى هذا العمل لكن فى كليوباترا انا اشعرفنى بالمعلومة دى هو انا همتحن فى المسلسلات والافلام ولا اية ثانيا حتى المعلومة دى خطا لانى لما بحثت لقيت ان الممثلة دى كانت جميلة جداااااا ومناسبة للدور اللى قدمتة اذن انا عايز اعرف من الاستاذ اللى فاكر نفسة ذكى وحاطت الامتحان هو الهدف التعقيد دى حاجة سهلة جدا انا بقى ممكن احطلك امتحان متعرفشى تحل فية نقطة طالما كل واحد هيطلع عقدة على الطلبة هى العيال نقصة حرام عليك انت سويت اللى ذاكر باللى بيلعب لان الاسئلة ديت محدش حلها وساملى على التعليم

golden-a
13-06-2014, 01:27 AM
هذا هو رد مؤلف الكتاب مع احترامى للجميع::::

Sec 3 SB, page 96: Why didn’t you use the future perfect tense in this sentence? “English will be
spoken by half the world’s population by 2050.” I have been taught that “by + year” is a keyword for the future perfect.

When I was studying for my master’s degree in TEFL, I never came across this “keyword” method of teaching. In fact, I never saw it until I came to Egypt. It is one of the features of “cookbook English” — without thinking of the meaning, students memorize and apply “rules” that are incorrectly stated or overgeneralized and which lead to monstrosities of language.
By + year can go with any number of verb tenses. The future perfect is used to talk about something that will be completed by a time in the future. English will be spoken is not something that will be completed then. It will be an ongoing activity, and that is why the future perfect is not used.

golden-a
13-06-2014, 01:29 AM
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جواد عوض
13-06-2014, 04:19 AM
هذا هو رد مؤلف الكتاب مع احترامى للجميع::::

Sec 3 SB, page 96: Why didn’t you use the future perfect tense in this sentence? “English will be
spoken by half the world’s population by 2050.” I have been taught that “by + year” is a keyword for the future perfect.

When I was studying for my master’s degree in TEFL, I never came across this “keyword” method of teaching. In fact, I never saw it until I came to Egypt. It is one of the features of “cookbook English” — without thinking of the meaning, students memorize and apply “rules” that are incorrectly stated or overgeneralized and which lead to monstrosities of language.
By + year can go with any number of verb tenses. The future perfect is used to talk about something that will be completed by a time in the future. English will be spoken is not something that will be completed then. It will be an ongoing activity, and that is why the future perfect is not used.
Thank you Mr .This a very strong evidence