الطالب ليس محتاج مرجع علشان يقتنع ....... مرجعه الوحيد الاستاذ ..... الاستاذ نفسه المفروض يبقي مرجع للطالب

يا مستر موريس أنت فعلا انسان الراقي في الحوار
ولكن محتاجين مرجع فعلا بس لما تكون الجملة غريبة و لكن هي ليست غريبة اساسا ويبدوا هذا من الاعراب
المثال الذي ذكرة الاخ كمال فهمي يؤيد كلامي السابق" over there"
"over " here is a place within a larger place"there

In here
In is a smaller place within a larger one "here
finally, we can explain it to the students through syntax

بالفعل لابد ان يكون المدرس مرجع للطالب وهذا ما اسعي اليه من خلال النقاش مع الساده الافاضل اساتذة المنتدي ولكن اللغة الانجليزية بحر وانا عن نفسي مازلت علي الشاطئ بارك الله فيكم

مستر حمادة شاكر جدا لاهتمام حضرتك وبجد أعتز بمعرفة حضرتك .
الموضوع يتمثل في الاتي :
* لو طالب سأل ليه home لاتسبق بحرف جر وخاصة لو جاء قبلها فعل يعبر عن الحركة (go-come-return .........)
هنقول ايه .......................؟ طبعا ده مش امتحان ولا سؤال موجه لمستر حمادة ( لانه بالتحديد من الناس الذين احترمهم جدا و التي لاتقول معلومة الا موثقة وهذة شهادة بناء علي نقاش سابق لحضرته فيما يخص نقطة في كتابه )
اعتقد الرد معروف للجميع ؟ولكن ممكن نفتح حوار ............ وتبقي حاجة تنشط موضوع كنا نعشقه في المنتدي !!!!!!!!!!!
أسف ممكن الغلط في تفسيري لها ياريت اسمع رد الاساتذة
لان الرد علي هذة النقطة هو سبب عدم اقتناعي الكامل بصيغة الجملة فلماذا لم يقل

if you say here it will be correct .in here is also correct but the meaning is not the same .there is a small difference in here means the place is closed

اتفق تماما مع الاستاذ حماده فى رايه
ونضيف اضافه بسيطة


بعض استخداماتها فى اللغة الانجليزية فى ملف وورد

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الاستاذ الفاضل / مستر نبيل الجملة سمعتها كتير فى ال spoken American English و بصراحة لم اقراها فى اى مرجع و بالتالى فهى من وجهة نظرى تعتبر لغة دارجة

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1 in this place: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifWhat are you doing here?
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifShall we eat here?
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifCome here for a minute.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifThis switch here controls the lights.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifMy friend here will show you the way.
up/down/in/out here http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifWhat was she doing up here in the woods?
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifWould you close the window? It's cold in here.

http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifCome on. I'm over here.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifWill you be back here tonight?
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifThere are no good pubs round here.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifI'm resigning here and now.


2 at this point in time: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifSpring is here at last.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere is your chance to change your life.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere is where the trouble starts.


3 here and there

scattered around or happening in several different places: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifThe house just needs a bit of paint here and there.


4 spoken here is/are something

also here it is/here they are a) used when you are giving something to someone, or showing something to them: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere's the money you lent me.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere are some pictures of John when he was little.

b) used when you have found something you were looking for: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHave you seen my pen? Oh, here it is.



5 spoken used when you are giving or offering something to someone: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere, have my chair. I don't mind standing.


6 spoken here you are/here you go

used when you are giving something to someone: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere you are, a boxful of tools.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gif'Here you go.' Callum handed her a glass of orange juice.


7 spoken at this point in a discussion: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere I'd like to add a note of caution.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifThere is no space to discuss this issue here.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifI'm not sure what you mean here.


8 spoken here goes!

also here we go used when you are going to try to do something difficult or dangerous, and you do not know what will happen: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifI've never ridden a motorbike before, so here goes!


9 spoken here we go

used when you are starting to do something or when something is starting to happen: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifRight, here we go, the game's starting.


10 spoken here's to somebody/something

used when you are going to drink something to wish someone good luck, show your respect for them etc: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere's to the happy couple.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere's to your new job.


11 spoken here he/she etc is

also somebody/something is here used to say that someone or something has arrived: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere they are, late as usual.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifAh, look - here's the postman.
http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifTony's here for his messages.


12 spoken here we are

used when you have finally arrived somewhere you were travelling to: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere we are - home at last.


13 spoken here comes somebody/something

used when you can see something or someone arriving: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere comes lunch.


14 spoken British English used to get someone's attention or to show that you are annoyed: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere! Just what do you think you're doing?


15 here we go again

informal used when something unpleasant is beginning to happen again: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifMost of us are peaceful and decent, but here we go again, in our fifth war of this century.


16 here to stay

if something is here to stay, it has become a part of life and will continue to be so: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifMobile phones are definitely here to stay.


17 here, there, and everywhere

informal in many different places: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifI spent the weekend driving the kids here, there, and everywhere.


18 neither here nor there

not important: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifYou never liked him much, did you?' 'What I think about him is neither here nor there. He's your friend.'


19 the here and now

the present time in the here and now http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifTo be able to live fully in the here and now, one must first learn how to honour the past.



20 somebody/something is here to do something

used to say what someone or something's duty or purpose is: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifWe're here to serve you.


21 here he/she etc is (doing something)

used to describe the present situation, especially one you did not expect to happen: http://www.ldoceonline.com/images/62...nsentencea.gifHere I am in Fiji!

بارك الله فيكم جميعا

thanks alot

الاختلاف بسبب الاعراب
 

يمكن ان نستخدم كلمة home كاسم وفى هذه الحالة نضع عادى حرف جر
I stayed at home.
ويمكن استخدامها كظرف وفى هذه الحالة لا يمكننا وضع حرف جر
I'm home.
I 'll come home.
وكذلك يمكن استخدامها كصفة What's your home address?
وكذلك مع كلمة here
Is there a telephone near here?
هنا استخدمنا near قبل كلمة hereوهنا كلمة near حرف جر
in here حرف جر واسم
here بدون حرف جر تكون adverb

your reference is oxford advanced learners e-dictionary

London is only 50 miles from here.
Here's Fiona - let me introduce you to her.
Where do we go/Where do we take it from here? (= What should we do next?)
- they're too busy concentrating on the here and now.
Here today, gone tomorrow. saying


said about something which lasts only a short time
A lot of new Internet companies are here today and gone tomorrow.