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مستر/ عصام الجاويش 26-10-2009 03:11 PM

مارأى الاخوه الزملاء فى هذه الجمله؟
 
وردت هذه الجمله فى قطعه الترجمه سنه 1984
Nothing is more ugly than a street without trees.
مارأيكم فى استخدام more فى هذه الجمله؟ ارجو ان نتناقش سويا فى هذه الجمله

مستر/ عصام الجاويش 26-10-2009 09:55 PM

برجاء دخول الزملاء للنقاش حول هذه الجمله

ابو بيشو 26-10-2009 10:17 PM

شكرا جزيلا لحضرتك مستر عصام
كلنا نعلم ان الصفات المنتهيه بy تصبح ier ,iest اذا كان الحرف الذى يسبق الyساكن
وبالنسبه ل ugly ايضا ذكر فى نسخه longman القديمه uglier/ugliest
ذكر فى English Grammar in use نفس الكلام ولكن ذكر الاتى
We prefer er with some two-syllable adjectives, especially adjectives ending in y
وكذلك A Comprehesive English Grammar
شكرا جزيلا لحضرتك

مستر/ عصام الجاويش 26-10-2009 10:29 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ابو بيشو (المشاركة 1702528)
شكرا جزيلا لحضرتك مستر عصام
كلنا نعلم ان الصفات المنتهيه بy تصبح ier ,iest اذا كان الحرف الذى يسبق الyساكن
وبالنسبه ل ugly ايضا ذكر فى نسخه longman القديمه uglier/ugliest
ذكر فى English Grammar in use نفس الكلام ولكن ذكر الاتى
We prefer er with some two-syllable adjectives, especially adjectives ending in y
وكذلك A Comprehesive English Grammar
شكرا جزيلا لحضرتك

جزاك الله خيرا يامستر
انا باتسآل هل more ugly صح؟

mr_tutor 27-10-2009 12:20 PM

Mr Essam,
Just wanna daw your attention to something happened at that time!! I myself discussed that point and highlighted it in my an article published in the forum . Unfortunately i received no reply from any of the memebers of the committee supervising the exam at that time. But a year later i was lucky enough to meet one of them and he said that it was a shameful mistake, so let it pass!1 as so many things must pass!!!

مستر/ عصام الجاويش 27-10-2009 01:20 PM

Thank you very much Mr. Tutor

amg_201090 27-10-2009 04:52 PM

اعتقد انها صح مفيهاش حاجه غلط لان ugly تتكون من مقطعين فا عادى لم نحط more

radwa kamal 27-10-2009 05:27 PM

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ugly
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2175136/Co...ive-Adjectives

مستر/ عصام الجاويش 27-10-2009 06:06 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة radwa kamal (المشاركة 1703945)

Pronunciation
[edit] Etymology

[edit] Adjective

  1. Displeasing to the eye; not aesthetically pleasing.
  2. Displeasing to the ear or some other sense.
  3. Offensive to one's sensibilities or morality.
    He played an ugly trick on us.
[edit] Synonyms
[edit] Antonyms
[edit] Derived terms

mosaadabd460 29-10-2009 01:00 AM

ممكن وضع moreقبل الصفات القصيره ولا يمكن وضعer فى نهاتة الصفات الطويله

eata123 29-10-2009 11:53 AM

Nothing is much uglier than a street without trees
كنابة الجملة سليمة

Mr Sayed2222 29-10-2009 09:04 PM

استاذى العزيز /عصام الجمله من وجهه نظرى سليمه هى مثل clever يمكن ان تأخذ er or more

نبيل موريس جورج 29-10-2009 10:01 PM

تحياتي مستر عصام
ملحوظة رائعة ولكني علي الرغم اني لا اجد لها مصدر لغوي ولكني أعتقد انها صحيحة وساحاول ايجاد مصدر للاثبات او النفي
وان كنت وجدتها في محرك البحث جوجل ولكن هذا غير كاف

مستر/ عصام الجاويش 29-10-2009 10:33 PM

جزاكم الله خيرا جميعا والهدف من عرض الجمله هو التاكد من صحتها والنقاش حولها لاننا منذ فتره لم نتناقش فى اللغه

مستر/ عصام الجاويش 29-10-2009 10:36 PM

ومارأيكم فى هذه الجمله ايضا ذكرها احد الزملاء فى مذكره له
Street children is a big problem
هل هذه الجمله صحيحه لغويا؟ يلا نستعيد ذاكره البحث

rass 30-10-2009 12:00 AM

to say more ugly that's is big mistake i think they thought ugly as beautiful
great thanks Mr Esam
your brother Mr Mohamed

rass 30-10-2009 12:10 AM

Street children or street urchins are homeless children who live on the street – in particular, those that are not taken care of by parents or other adults. Street children live in abandoned buildings, containers, automobiles, parks, or on the street itself.

rass 30-10-2009 12:15 AM

streeet children are big problem

Huda Mohammed 2010 30-10-2009 12:43 AM

[quote=مستر/ عصام الجاويش;1708782]ومارأيكم فى هذه الجمله ايضا ذكرها احد الزملاء فى مذكره له
Street children is a big problem
هل هذه الجمله صحيحه لغويا؟ يلا نستعيد ذاكره البحث[

I think it could be like this
"Street children"is a big problem
or we can use (alarming) instead of big

Huda Mohammed 2010 30-10-2009 12:44 AM

"street Children"

supergenius 30-10-2009 01:01 AM

شكرا جزيلا لحضرتك مستر عصام
كلنا نعلم ان الصفات المنتهيه بy تصبح ier ,iest اذا كان الحرف الذى يسبق الyساكن
وبالنسبه ل ugly ايضا ذكر فى نسخه longman القديمه uglier/ugliest
ذكر فى English Grammar in use نفس الكلام ولكن ذكر الاتى
We prefer er with some two-syllable adjectives, especially adjectives ending in y
وكذلك A Comprehesive English Grammar
شكرا جزيلا لحضرتك

مستر/ عصام الجاويش 30-10-2009 02:28 PM

جزاكم الله خيرا ومازال النقاش دائر حول الجملتين

mr.ahmedabdelwahed 30-10-2009 05:17 PM

الدليل بالصور

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مستر/ عصام الجاويش 30-10-2009 08:37 PM

جزاكم الله خيرا
انا دخلت اليوم فى منتدى انجليزى وتلقيت الاجابه التاليه
1- Nothing is uglier / more ugly than a street without trees.


2- Street children are a very serious problem.

mr.ahmedabdelwahed 30-10-2009 09:58 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة مستر/ عصام الجاويش (المشاركة 1709875)
جزاكم الله خيرا
انا دخلت اليوم فى منتدى انجليزى وتلقيت الاجابه التاليه
1- nothing is uglier / more ugly than a street without trees.


2- street children are a very serious problem.

الحمد لله المصدر اللى جبت الصور منه اكد ذلك

جزاك الله خيرا يا مستر عصام

Abbadi 30-11-2009 09:31 PM

Inequality : less
We can also talk about inequality by focusing on the ' lower ' end of the scale , using less ( than) or least.
The baby 's less ugly than you.
Inequality : more
To say that people, things etc are unequal in a particular way,
When we compare two descriptions ( saying that one is more suitable or accurate than another ) we use more ; comparative with – er are not possible.
He 's more lazy than stupid.
Note :
That this structure is used only to express abstract ideas.
He explained it all carefully but I was still none the wiser.
When a group only has two members we sometimes use the comparative instead of superlative
I 'll give you the bigger / biggest steak: I'm not very hungry.
( the ) is not used with superlative in predicative position or with superlative position or with superlative adverbs when we compare the same person, or the thing in different situations.
Compare
He 's nicestwhen he 's had a few drinks.
She works hardest when she 's doing something.
How do you like your coffee? "The stronger the better'
Note that in this structure, the word the is not really definite – it was originally a form of the demonstrative pronoun,
' by that much'.


medo86.ledo 30-11-2009 11:30 PM

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة مستر/ عصام الجاويش (المشاركة 1709875)
جزاكم الله خيرا
انا دخلت اليوم فى منتدى انجليزى وتلقيت الاجابه التاليه
1- Nothing is uglier / more ugly than a street without trees.


2- Street children are a very serious problem.


اولا بالنسبة للجملتسن
nothing is more ugly than street without trees
الجملة صحيحة جدا لان اغلب الصفات التى تتكون من من مقطعين يتم التعامل معها بطريقتين هي
1- er \ est
2- more \ most
و هذا مذكور في كتب القواعد بشكل تفصيل

2- street children is a big problem
in my opinion is should be replaced with are as the subject is '' children '' and the verb thus must match it , so ''is'' is completely wrong
it can be acceptable if we say '' street children problem is a big one


اما بالنسبة لى
فانا اريد the address of the forum you have just mentioned
and if u know more forums of english , please tell me about them , as i have been searching for these forums for a long time
thanks mr essam
Mr medo86.ledo
:022yb4:

Abbadi 04-12-2009 10:14 AM

Always
er/est: Most of one-syllable, e.g. small

Usually
er/est: Two syllables ending in y, e.g. lucky

Either
er/est Some of one syllable, e.g. clear, true

or
more/most: Some of two syllables, e.g. narrow, common

Always
more/most: One syllable ending in ed, e.g. pleased

Most of two syllables, e.g.
careful, boring

Three or more syllables, e.g. expensive, magnificent

مستر على سيد 26-06-2011 08:04 PM

Street children ....جملة صحيحة دون نقاش
كاننى اقول
six months is a long period
او قصة طه حسين
stream of days
واحيانا يتغاضى البعض عن وضع علامتى تنصيص فلا يهم
والجملة صح الصح

مستر اسامة محمد حسن(التل) 12-07-2011 08:33 PM

استاذي العزيز مستر عصام . ان تسمح لتلميذك بأن يتطاول ويدلي برأيه البسيط , اقول ان علمي ان اولاد الشوارع يشار اليهم بWaifs and straysوليس street children , فضلا عن استخدام is مع children ,وارجو الا اكون تطاولت كثيرا بمشاركتي هذه , وشكرا

medo111 17-08-2011 06:39 AM

my dear friend mr Essam:
I think the sentence "street children is" is a correct sentence in English not are why? because when you translate you
translate meaning by meaning so the meaning is "the problem of street children is
2-uglier is correct and more ugly is correct too like easier and more easy

ahmedfawzy2111 21-08-2011 11:42 PM

street children is/are abig problem. Both are correct because we can say" my family is / are in the house. words like" team , council ,family , " are treated sing. and pl. as they consist of sub members.

محمد فليفل 22-08-2011 12:53 AM

هايل جداااااااااااااا

nada allam 22-08-2011 01:25 AM

Please , i want the answer to this question... :
He goes to Europe every two months . re-write using the word ( month)

salma hanem 03-09-2011 07:03 PM

he goes to Europe month after month

salma hanem 03-09-2011 07:11 PM

منين السؤال ده يا ندى؟

الصديق الصادوق 05-09-2011 01:26 AM

As a kind of confirmation
ugly is a two syllable word so it can be more ugly or uglier as it also ends with a consonant followed by y
And that's an exception for some words.
ps
y at the end of any word is a vowel that's why it is considered a two syllable word.
thnx.

alshamedaan 08-09-2011 09:47 AM

think of 'street children ' as a phenomenon ,so it can take a singular verb + ugly was a mistake that big people at that time left it without a hint .from1984 till 2011 nobody touched the mistake except the great man mr "essam" ..hope u r all right

alshamedaan 08-09-2011 09:52 AM

Please , i want the answer to this question... :
He goes to Europe every two months . re-write using the word ( month)
he goes to Europe every other month.


carolen 03-10-2011 06:58 AM

جميله الجمل دى

مستر/ احمد جابر 05-10-2011 12:05 PM

Nothing is uglier / more ugly than a street without trees

There is no semantic difference between the two ways of forming the comparison, the difference lies in the style / preference of the speaker.

Mr.3aneed 06-10-2011 07:03 PM

في رأيي الجملة الاولي صحيحة حيث يمكن استخدام more ويمكن اضافة er

الجملة الثانية يمكن اعتبار الحديث عن مشكلة اطفال الشوارع فالمشكلة مفرد:لذا نستخدم is
واذا كنا نقصد الاطفال فيجب استخدام الجمع are
والله اعلم

مستر/ احمد جابر 08-10-2011 08:41 AM

More and most with short adjectives
Sometimes more and most are used with short adjectives which usually take –er and –est. This usually happens when a comparative is not followed immediately by than.
  • The task is getting more and more hard. (OR The task is getting harder and harder.)
  • You are getting more and more young. (OR You are getting younger and younger.)
When we compare two descriptions of the same person or thing, we use more.
  • He is more lazy than stupid. (NOT He is lazier than stupid.)


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