ألحق حمل وحل جمل على القواعد والكلمات بس حتعجبك أوى

[mostafa ali zaki]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة khaled Ti

يا جماعة من وجهة نظري المتواضعة: 2 جملة (shouldn't) مش (Mustn't) هي مجرد نصيحة مش منع و تحريم .هايحصله اية يعني لو صرف الفلوس كلها ! هايتسجن ؟ هايتكهرب؟ والله أعلم

I thank you very much for your contributions.It seems clearly that you are a good laugh. But you should think it over again.
mustn't is used when we want to show that something is dangerous , hateful or annoying
for example when a mother says to her child that he or she mustn't touch the stove.

[ايمان محمود رمضان]

can't
mustn't
don't need to

[bebo4ever]

1. can't
2.shouldn't
3.don't need to

[mostafa ali zaki]

1. Don’t use an with own.
Mona needs her own room. (NOT Mona needs an own room.)
I’d like a phone line of my own. (NOT … an own phone line.)



Don’t use a present tense after It’s time.2
It’s time you went home. (NOT It’s time you go home.)
It’s time we repented. (NOT It’s time we repent.)

[mostafa ali zaki]

Yaria is................. of the two sisters.
a) the older b) the elder
c) the eldest d) the oldest

[Mr Mosaad El Hegazy]

the elder / the older are both correct answers

[Mr Hamada Hashish]

[quote=mostafa ali zaki;2137176]Yaria is................. of the two sisters.
a) the older b) the elder
c) the eldest d) the oldest
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نستخدمها عند المقارنة داخلنطاق الاسرة وهنا التعبير of two لذلك نختار
the ثم الصفة المنتهيى er

[mostafa ali zaki]

[quote=nasrawy100;2137465]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة mostafa ali zaki

Yaria is................. of the two sisters.
a) the older b) the elder
c) the eldest d) the oldest
[

نستخدمها عند المقارنة داخلنطاق الاسرة وهنا التعبير of two لذلك نختار
the ثم الصفة المنتهيى er

thanks for your participation. in fact I thought the same until I've thought it over again.To my surprise,I've found out that elder can't be used in comparison.It is a positive adj that proceeds a noun. therefore, the correct choice is the older of the two.
It is serious and should be looked into and after.

[mostafa ali zaki]

Dear colleagues and students
Be careful
There is a great difference between older \ elder
older is used in comparative degree and before nouns
Hind is older than Soher.
Hind is my older sister.
However. elder is used only before nouns and can't be used in comparative degree
Hind is my elder sister.She is three years older than me,
We can say
Hind is the older of the two. NOT the elder of the two
older can be used in comparing people or things whereas elder is used with poeple and can't be followed by than

[H0riz0n]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة mostafa ali zaki

,
We can say
Hind is the older of the two. NOT the elder of the two
older can be used in comparing people or things whereas elder is used with poeple and can't be followed by than

الأخ الفاضل مصطفى
اشكرك على نقاشك الرائع وأسلوبك فى جذب الإهتمام للموضوع
بالطبع هذا يدل على قدرتك على التشويق مع تلاميذك.

ولكن لى طلب صغير وهو أن تذكر المرجع الذى استقت منه الحكم على كون the elder of the two صيغة خاطئة
فكلنا نعرف أن elder تستخدم فقط فى بيان الترتيب وليس المقارنة والمقصود بالمقارنة وجود طرفى المقارنة منفصلين وبينهم adj+er than وبالتالى فإن استخدام elder than فعلا خطأ ولكن صيغة the elder of the two ليست صيغة مقارنة بدليل أن الطرف الأول الذى يسبق الصيغة موجود ضمنيا كجزء من الطرف الثانى وبالتالى لا يوجد طرفين للمقارنة

Noha is older than her sister Nada

ففى هذه الجملة طرفى المقارنة منفصلين وهما Noha و Nada وبالتالى لا يمكن كما هو معروف استخدام elder فى هذا السياق

Noha is elder or the two sisters

الطرفين هى هذا الصيغة هما Noha و the two sisters
وبما أن the two sisters = Noha+Nada فلا توجد مقارنة حيث أن Noha متضمنة فى الطرفين ولا يمكن أن نقارن Noha مع نفسها.

وفيما يتعلق بصحة كلامى بمكن الرجوع إلى قاموسى Oxford Advaced learner & Longman Dictionary of Contemporay English للتأكد من أن الصيغة the elder of the two ليست خطأ

[الاستاذ حسن شبانه]

يوجد قاعدة ثابتة هى

When we compare two people or things, we can use

the + comparative (not the + superlative . (

Sam is the taller of the two brothers.

[samir Meabed]

thank Mr so Most of our colleagues answer you correctly
Yara is the older of two sisters.
but we may say
Yara is my elder sister
Allah only Knows

[ابو بيشو]

شكرا جزيلا لكل الزملاء الاعزاء على هذا الحوار الرائع واسمحوا لى ان اشترك معكم
الاجابه هى : the older
وهنا لنا ملاحظتان
الاولى : ما الفرق بين older -elder
كما ذكر فى English Grammar in Use
The comparative of old is older:
Tom looks older than he really is.
We use elder when we are talking about members of a family . We say my elder brother/sister/son/daughter
My elder brother is a pilot.
We use elder only before a noun :
My brother is older than me.
not :elder than me
الملاحظه الثانيه:هل نستخدم comparative ولا superlative
ذكر فى A Comprehensive English Grammar الاتى
When two persons or two things are compared the comparative is generally used :
To choose the lesser of two evils.
The greater part of the work.
The taller half of the 20th century.
She is the older and the more beautiful of the two sisters .
But
She is the oldest and the most beautiful of the three sisters.
ملحوظه اخرى: ليست متعلقه بتلك الجمله
Elders can be used as a noun meaning those of an earlier generation implying wiser than we are
You should respect your elders and betters.

[mr_moh55555]

According to LDOCE, elder is particularly British. It can be used for brothers and sisters, and one's children. But in a sentence such as the one you ask about, older is more usual.

[mr_moh55555]

Is it correct to say "Nora is the shorter of the two girls"?
Sender Rahmah Atef Position Student
Yes. When we are comparing only two things, some people prefer the comparative rather than the superlative. However, it is also possible to use the superlative because we are comparing members of a group, even if the group has only two members. And of course we always use the superlative when comparing three or more.
Nora is the shorter of the two girls.

Nora is the shortest of the two girls. (not acceptable to some)
Nora is the shortest girl in the class.
In real life, native speakers often use the superlative when comparing only two things, especially in informal speech. Some think that this is incorrect and that the comparative must be used.
A question of this sort should not appear on an exam because there are two possible answers. Students have been taught that when they see the, they must use the superlative. But which of the rules would an examiner follow -- that the comparative must be used when only two things are compared, or that the must be followed by the superlative? This would be an unfair question on an exam




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